Does this dog food have enough meat content?
Topic: Does this dog food have enough meat content?
April 25, 2019 / By Aladdin Question:
Buffalo, Oatmeal, Barley, Salmon Meal, Venison, Whole Brown Rice, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols – a source of Natural Vitamin E and Ascorbic Acid, a source of Vitamin C), Flaxseed, Freeze Dried Potatoes, Freeze Dried Carrots, Freeze Dried Peas, Freeze Dried Apples, Dicalcium Phosphate, Calcium Carbonate, Potassium Chloride, Lysine, Guar Gum, Sea Salt, Choline Chloride, Zinc Amino Acid Complex, Whole Blueberries, Yucca Schidigera Extract, Dried Venison Broth, Whole Garlic, Chondroitin Sulfate, Glucosamine Hydrochloride, Natural Venison Flavor, Chicory Root, Marigold Extract, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Natural Celery Flavor, Iron Amino Acid Complex, Vitamin E Supplement, Manganese Amino Acid Complex, Natural Caramel Color, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Copper Amino Acid Complex, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin D3, Niacin, Lecithin, Ribofl avin Supplement, Biotin, Ethylenediamine Dihydriodide, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Cobalt Amino Acid Complex, Folic Acid, Thiamine Mononitrate, Sodium Selenite.
Its merrick wilderness blend dog food. I was concerned about the meat because the first ingredient is meat rather than a meat meal so its made up of 80% water. I concerned as to whether it has more grains than meats.
SC, meat is not better than meal. Meal is exactly the same thing as meat except with the water removed. So it is more concentrated than meat.
Best Answers: Does this dog food have enough meat content?
Suzy | 3 days ago
With the 1st, 4th & 5th ingredients being meat, even with the water content of the buffalo, the combined total of the 3 might be higher than the combination of the oatmeal , barley & rice. So, the meat content *may* be higher in sum, than the carbohydrate component.
Don't confuse " meat (fresh)" with "meat meal" and "meat by-products".
From The Whole Dog Journal's
2008 Approved Grain-Free Foods - Dry
"Understand that whole meat (chicken, beef, lamb, etc.) contains a lot of water weight. If a food list starts out with chicken (rather than chicken meal), and there is no other animal protein listed until 7th or 8th on the list, the food does not actually contain a lot of animal protein. But if it starts out with chicken, and chicken meal (or another named animal meal, such as lamb meal) is number two or three on the list, chances are the product contains an admirable amount of animal protein. "
and from the Dog Food Project:
"Contrary to what many people believe, meat sources in "meal" form (as long as they are from a specified type of animal, such as chicken meal, lamb meal, salmon meal etc.) are not inferior to whole, fresh meats. Meals consist of meat and skin, with or without the bones, but exclusive of feathers/hair, heads, feet, horns, entrails etc. and have the proper calcium/phosphorus ratio required for a balanced diet. They have had most of the moisture removed, but meats in their original, "wet" form still contain up to 75% water. Once the food reaches its final moisture content of about 9-12%, the meat will have shrunk to sometimes as little as 1/4 of the original amount, while the already dehydrated meal form remains the same and you get more concentrated protein per pound of finished product. This means that in the worst case you are left with only 4 ounces of actual meat content per pound of fresh meat included in a dry kibble, many of which contain less than one pound of meat per 2-3 pounds of grain to begin with. Preferably a food contains quality meat meal as well as some fresh meat."
Also, the venison and buffalo in pet foods is not "wild caught", but farmed. It's not as if it comes from road-kill or from individual hunters trying to pick off a single wild buffalo or white-tail deer. If it did, a 20 lb bag of dog food would be outrageously expensive.
Venison and buffalo farms are under the same USDA restrictions as cattle farms.
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Originally Answered: Why would any choose a dog food that lists "Animal Fat" or "Meat By-Product" in the ingredients?
Mostly it's that they don't know, or that the risks are understated. Sometimes they're suckered in by a good commercial (if we all went by commercials alone, I'd be feeding my dogs beneful lol... those are good commercials!) or are told by a vet that these foods are healthy.
Vets are often given a paycheck by these companies too, so some vets will recommend them! Then some vets will recommend stuff like Purina because it's better than Ol' Roy or kibbles & bits... kind of choosing a lesser evil when they know their clients aren't going to afford/want to spend that much for dog food.
ADD-- the corn and fillers bother me way more than byproducts, at least the byproducts are animal-based. I'd sooner feed something with byproducts than a food with corn or soy. Of course I prefer neither, but don't label organ meat as bad food. Liver is very very healthy and many raw feeders will look specifically for it.
ADD #2-- for those of you who have dogs who eat that crap and say they're fine... well my Grandpa smoked for 50 years then one day he got lung cancer and died. My other grandpa smoked his whole life and is now 92, no issues. Feeding a low quality food is like smoking... it might hurt you, it might not, but it almost always lowers your lifespan.
And yes, not all natural/organic/holistic foods are good or nutritionally balanced. Many are, and those are the ones you should be feeding.
ADD #3-- corn is not undigestible, it is however extremely hard to digest and is a common allergen in dogs.
I've just checked and find that Arden Grange do a Senior 'with fresh chicken and rice' and the protein level of this is 22% The ingredients list Chicken first too. On the other hand Burns state that their food is 'for adult dogs of all ages, including seniors'. Their food is all 18.5% protein apart from the one for high energy dogs. However, they list Brown Rice as the first ingredient. And for the record, Burns do suggest that puppies can go onto their 'adult' food after 6 months of age. Also whilst I agree that in the wild, dogs have to eat what's available, I'd also suggest that wild dogs have an inbuilt ability to look for what their systems tell them they need. If they can't find it - they either cope until the right food becomes available, or they fall sick, and die. We can do more than that for our domesticated dog. I have used both makes, to good effect, with my hounds (much as when we were running numbers, I used Chudleys because cost was important - and they all did well on that). Both makers have a help line on their website and are generous with samples.
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Meat is much better than meal! You should be looking for real, whole ingredients, NOT meals (ideally). A dog does not require more than 12-15% protein and the more whole, real protein from meat sources, the better. Raw meat has between 10-18% protein, depending on the type of meat (see the USDA site for research on this). Merrick is a good food choice. If you want to learn more about good food choices and what the ingredient lists really mean, i recommend www.whole-dog-journal.com
I understand your concerns about the grains, however, barley (whole) is not a terrible choice. I'm not wild about the oatmeal though. If you opt for canned foods you can get more choices, with real whole meats with much less grain and much less meal.
While canned food has been maligned for many years, my reading of lables indicates to me that they actually have better ingredients. And don't believe that crock about how canned foods don't clean your dogs' teeth - neither does dry food. The only way to clean your dogs' teeth properly is by feeding whole, meaty bones or brushing your dogs' teeth every day. I personally prefer a whole prey diet for dogs but those decisions do not come lightly for every person.
Edit- meals are not better than meat! Dogs should be fed as close to a natural diet as possible. Taking meat and then reducing it to a meal does not do that.
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It doesn't sound too bad, but it's not a type of food I would buy. There seems to be a lot of fruit and veggies in it - they aren't all that necessary in a dogs diet (as they are carnivors). And the meat seems to be outweighed by all the other ingredients (despite being first on the list).
Also, MEAT is definately better than MEAT MEAL... Always always always.
The more meat in the diet the better.
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It's an excellent dog food, rated with 5 stars on http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_...
Edit: SC, meals are better then just meat (or so I've always read) "The first, fourth and fifth ingredients are named meat products. Two of these are meat inclusive of its water content (about 80%) and once that is removed it is likely that this ingredient would be more accurately placed somewhat further down the ingredient list (ingredients are listed in order of weight). However, the presence of two meat meal ingredients high on the list gives us confidence that there is an adequate amount of meat in the food." -taken from www.dogfoodanalysis.com
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Originally Answered: what has the most protein that is not meat?
I would say spirulina or hemp seed. They are both very high in protein and they are complete proteins. Goji berries are another option.
Spirulina, by the way, is a type of blue-green algae. It is sold in powdered form in natural food grocery stores. This is from wikipedia:
"Spirulina contains an unusually high amount of protein, between 55% and 77% by dry weight, depending upon the source. It is a complete protein, containing all essential amino acids, though with reduced amounts of methionine, cysteine, and lysine when compared to the proteins of meat, eggs, and milk. It is, however, superior to typical plant protein, such as that from legumes".
Hemp seeds (any seed, actually) tend to be high in fat. However, the fat found in seeds are monounsaturated fats, which are the good type of fats. From wikipedia:
"Hemp seeds contain all the essential amino acids and essential fatty acids necessary to maintain healthy human life. The seeds can be eaten raw, ground into a meal, sprouted, made into hemp milk (akin to soy milk), prepared as tea, and used in baking. The fresh leaves can also be eaten in salads. Products range from cereals to frozen waffles, hemp tofu to nut butters. A few companies produce value added hemp seed items that include the seed oils, whole hemp grain (which is sterilized by law), hulled hemp seed (the whole seed without the mineral rich outer shell), hemp flour, hemp cake (a by-product of pressing the seed for oil) and hemp protein powder. Hemp is also used in some organic cereals, for non-dairy milk somewhat similar to soy and nut milks, and for non-dairy hemp "ice cream.""
"About 30–35% of the weight of hempseed is hempseed oil or hemp oil, an edible oil that contains about 80% essential fatty acids (EFAs); i.e., linoleic acid, omega-6 (LA, 55%), alpha-linolenic acid, omega-3 (ALA, 22%), in addition to gamma-linolenic acid, omega-6 (GLA, 1–4%) and stearidonic acid, omega-3 (SDA, 0–2%). Whole hempseed also contains about 25% of a highly-digestible protein, where 1/3 is edestin and 2/3 are albumins. Its amino acid profile is close to "complete" when compared to more common sources of proteins such as meat, milk, eggs and soy. The proportions of linoleic acid and alpha-linolenic acid in one tablespoon (15 ml) per day of hemp oil easily provides human daily requirements for EFAs. Unlike flaxseed oil, hemp oil can be used continuously without developing a deficiency or other imbalance of EFAs. This has been demonstrated in a clinical study, where the daily ingestion of flaxseed oil decreased the endogenous production of GLA".
This is from wikipedia regarding goji berries:
"Wolfberry (goji berries) contains significant percentages of a day's macronutrient needs – carbohydrates, protein, fat and dietary fiber. 68% of the mass of dried wolfberries exists as carbohydrate, 12% as protein, and 10% each as fiber and fat, giving a total caloric value in a 100 gram serving of 370 (kilo)calories".
Other sources of plant protein:
Quinoa (a type of grain) is a complete protein and contains about 12% to 18% protein.
Edamame (soybeans) are a complete protein (about 34%).
Beans - not a complete protein.
Amaranth seed - complete protein.
Mushrooms - complete protein, but very low. Only about 2 -4% protein.
Edit: I would have to say spriulina is your best bet. Very high in protein and very low in fat (about 7%). Here is a website that gives the total nutritional break down for sprulina: