Feeding dogs human grade meat and organic meat?
Topic: Feeding dogs human grade meat and organic meat?
June 19, 2019 / By Alissa Question:
Has anyone observed how these types of meats are more beneficial to dogs when compared to the 'not for human consumption, waste meat'?
Do people feed organic on the premise that it is apparently better for humans to eat organic meat than regular meat and therefore must be the same for the dog?
If you are someone who feeds their dog human grade or organic meat, do you follow the same philosophy in your own diet? If not then i am curious as to why?
Best Answers: Feeding dogs human grade meat and organic meat?
Urban | 1 day ago
I'm not sure what you mean by "organic meat". Animals, unlike crops, are not directly exposed to pesticides however in the food chain, yes, cattle most likely are being fed GMO's (genetically modified organisms) which are actually grown by farmers to be resistant to pesticide (thanks to Monsanto... )
Most cattle are also given hormones, some are fed dead cows. (see attached link ). Poultry are given antibioitics, fish are filled with mercury. The list is endless.
If organic cattle exist, I am not aware of them. Maybe someone here can tell me - and also define what exactly an organic cow is.
So, to answer your question: I feed my dogs raw soup bones which are likely derived from the above - these are human grade bones which I buy in the grocery store. They probably glow in the dark (smirk)
I don't feed them organ meat (kidney, liver, heart) because the toxins from all these chemicals fed to cattle are concentrated in the organs - why make it worse. Its like supersizing hormones in a can - that, and the fact the mere look of these organs makes me ill.
Myself - I am a vegetarian for the most part - have been for over 20 years. I say the most part because I have had to deviate in the last few years after developing intolerances to soy, lentils, peas, corn (which btw, are the main GMO crops - so much for eating a vegetable when they cross it with a fish...). Still cannot tolerate meat, but I eat the occassional bit of chicken. Eggs are my main protein source.
Long way of saying - I don't model my diet after my dogs or vice versa because I'm not a dog. I do however feed my dogs human top grade whole foods in addition to their premium kibble because I can afford to - its admittedly getting expensive.
If I could buy meat knowing it was raised on a farm that did not use GMO's and did not use any hormones or other chemicals - I would.
My sense is "organic" is one of those words that has for the most part become ad speak on labels - we can than the FDA and Canadian food and drug association for that. (conspiracy theory is another topic)
@Dogzzz: (Pitcairn) does state the highest toxicity to dogs from food is in cow bones - lead poisoning primarily the issue. In addition to that, I have attached a link. It is a bit too complicated for my brain to decipher - but I interpret it to state poisoning (from their stated sources) shows up in the kidney, tongue, stomach and intestine of cattle and equine. I guess the $64 question is exactly how safe is organ meat - and how do you know the ofal you purchase is not precancerous or filled with other bugaboos?
My understanding of illness is that the kidneys and liver as well as spleen and other major organs become enlarged when the toxic burden increases and this is the precursor to cancer. Yes, its true that a healthy kidney will filter toxins - but an overloaded system cannot. Cows (for example) are fed all these hormones and fillers to fatten them along with pesticide based crops - their bodies have to filter that. I simply cannot believe they are able to.
Its the same in people - men get enlarged prostates - which lead to prostate cancer. Cattle fed hormones and crops riddled with pesticide have to contend with it -
I don't deny pet food uses this crap - my point is they cook it to kill those pathogens. Raw is a la carte. I will appreciate any information from a reliable source that contradicts me (ie an independant source other than a raw food proponent)
The "prey" model is based on an assumption that the organ meat we purchase for our dogs is the same as what a wolf would get in the wild. Well, wild deer, moose, rabbits are not fed hormones like domestic livestock -yes, they get their share of pollution like the rest of us, but in my view there is no comparison. Unless you are out killing it in the wild and feeding the guts to your dog - in which case, you are THE dog owner of the year!
Add: Go to page 170 of the linked book on animal diseases - refer to the paragraph headed "Pesticides". It states cattle, sheep, swine, horses, poultry and dogs are exposed, and the lungs are most affected, followed by kidney and liver.
(I cannot paste the text so you have to read it). Its seems obvious to me that feeding raw ofal to a dog is like serving up herbicide stew. I'll take my chances with raw hamburger and soup bones.
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Originally Answered: Which is worse: non organic meat, non organic produce, non organic grains, or non organic dairy products?
It's a tie between non-organic meat and non-organic dairy products.. well personally, I just wouldn't eat meat or dairy in general, but it would have to come down to those two.
I think it's okay to eat non-organic fruit as long as it's something you can peel. I wouldn't worry too much about vegetables either. As far as grains go, brown rice and ezekiel bread never fail. I wouldn't buy anything else, even if it's marked with "USDA Organic".
At this point, given the economy, price is the main factor. Most people can't buy that for themselves, their dogs aren't going to be getting it.
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Mine get whatever I have available and can afford. And they're happy to have it. I've been cleaning out my freezer of old, freezer-burned meat and the dogs think it's delicious.
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Dogs should get DOG FOOD... why there is a thing such as dog food. There are a lot of organic dog foods now. You can get Blue Buffalo that uses real chicken meat, use soft dog food. Or you can ask how to prepare your dogs food. But it needs to be made a special way so it gets all the nutrients it needs.
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I raw feed, and sometimes my dogs get organic if its going really cheap (close to use by date).
I try to eat it myself whenever possible too, but the extra expense is sometimes an issue.
As Da Bassett said - If I buy it for me and it gets a bit old or freezer burned, is usually when it ends up as dog food! I love that no meat is ever wasted in my house.
I cannot say that I have noticed a difference in my animals, though (between feeding organic or non organic). I guess I would have to do a more permenant long term change for anything to be apparent.
@ Chix - I only read your first 3 paragraphs (sorry at work & shouldn't be online at all lol).
However, to answer your question about "organic meat"...
Meat most certainly CAN contain pestacides etc.
Sprays/poisons are used regularly on most pasture to control all kinds of weeds and as fertilisers.
Almost everyone sprays every year for broad leaf etc if they carry livestock on pasture.
There are all kinds of withholding periods depending on the toxicity of the poisons used, but make no mistake - if they are grazing on it after spraying... chances are we are eating some too. Sometimes farmers will put cattle or sheep on very shortly after spraying (days and sometimes immediately after).
If you DO spray - you cannot label your meat organic.
Of course it is far more involved than this - There is also "yonies" (sp?) meat etc.
What I am mentioning is only the very basic facts as I know them.
Carrying capacity can be reduced if you dont spray (fertilisers and weed poison).
You have to be much more careful about "head per hectare ratios", due to the fact that overgrazing directly causes increase in weeds etc (if you cant poison them, control is more difficult).
Most meat therefore is NOT organic, as farmers can produce more animals with poisions etc to help manage the land.
If you DO raise organic certified meat - Then you get quite a bit more per kilo, simply because it is much harder to manage and raise.
Knowing what I know and see with my own eyes (I live in one of the prime beef raising areas of Australia)... If I could afford it - I WOULD always eat and buy organic, for both me and my dogs/cats etc.
Maybe if I win lotto...
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Originally Answered: Though red meat has lots of protien, why is too much red meat not good for you?
Fat and cholesterol. Just so you know, red meat is not the only thing with protein. There are several "vegetarian" options for complete protein. And, plants do not contain cholesterol.
Quinoa, amaranth, mushrooms, spirulina, hemp seeds, edamame, goji berries... are examples of complete protein, just like meat. Spirulina is 55% to 77% protein. Compare that with about 20% protein found in steak. And, spirulina is fat free and cholesterol free.
Did you know that pound for pound, broccoli contains almost as much protein as lean ground beef? Its not a complete protein, though. Other excellent sources of protein are seeds, legumes, rice, corn, grain, cereal, tempeh, tofu, seitan, soy milk, rice milk, hemp milk, pasta, bread, etc.... ALL vegetables and fruit contain some protein. And of course, the contain very little fat and no cholesterol.